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What we don't want to happen with AGI, we want to happen with synthetic biology. What we don't want to happen online and software with language, we want for it to happen with bio-based materials.
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1 September 2023
29 August 2023
From one piece Language models surprised us 3 beliefs, in the piece's order there
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Most importantly, ML experts and superforecasters both seem to be massively underestimating future spending on training runs.
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Massively underestimating near-future progress could be very risky.
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AI progress is faster than people expect, and ordinary scaling can be enough to solve problems that looked very hard.Their words
This rapid scaleup will probably drive another qualitative leap forward in capability like what we saw over the last 18 months.
12 August 2023
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Reading the book had not changed my fundamental belief that, in balance, we were on a good trajectory with AI research: good for science and good for society with expected positive impacts in many domains.
Their words now
I now believe that I was wrong and short-sighted to ignore that dual-use nature. I also think I was not paying enough attention to the possibility of losing control to superhuman AIs.
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Instead of decades to centuries, I now see it as 5 to 20 years with 90% confidence.
10 August 2023
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ChatGPT is fast-tracking the commodification of the human spirit by mechanising the imagination. It renders our participation in the act of creation as valueless and unnecessary.
28 July 2023
From one piece Microincentives and Enshittification 2 beliefs, in the piece's order there
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The only way for Google Search to grow is to make itself worse.
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Ranking first in a search has become near enough to being true, which is why search and spam are permanently at war.Their words
Google’s the first — and often the last — place we go to for answers, so snagging top billing in a Google search results page is, approximately speaking, equivalent to being “true.”
29 June 2023
From one piece George Hotz: Tiny Corp, Twitter, AI Safety, Self-Driving, GPT, AGI & God | Lex Fridman Podcast #387 5 beliefs, in the piece's order there
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Of course, when you talk to an AI that’s made by a big company in the cloud, the AI fundamentally is aligned to them, not to you. And that’s why you have to buy a tiny box. So you make sure the AI stays aligned to you.
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But the real thing that I want is not something that like tab completes my code and gives me ideas. The real thing that I want is a very intelligent pair programmer that comes up with a little popup saying, “Hey, you wrote a bug on line 14 and here’s what it is.”
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I think things like MuZero and AlphaGo are so much more impressive because these things are playing beyond the highest human level. The language models are writing middle school level essays and people are like, wow, it’s a great essay.
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I think future LLMs are going to be smaller, but are going to run looping on themselves and are going to have retrieval systems. And the thing about using a retrieval system is you can cite sources, explicitly.
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What’s ironic about all these AI safety people is they’re going to build the exact thing they fear. We need to have one model that we control and align. This is the only way you end up paper clipped. There’s no way you end up paper clipped if everybody has an AI.
26 June 2023
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Half the population in rich countries is not articulate enough in writing to use prompt-driven AI well.Their words
For sure, half the population is insufficiently articulate in writing to use ChatGPT well.
24 June 2023
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At the same time, in order to reduce the probability of someone intentionally or unintentionally bringing about a rogue AI, we need to increase governance and we should consider limiting access to the large-scale generalist AI systems that could be weaponized, which would mean that the code and neural net parameters would not be shared in open-source and some of the important engineering tricks to make them work would not be shared either.
23 June 2023
22 June 2023
From one piece AI Is First New UI Paradigm in 60 Years 3 beliefs · jakobnielsenphd.substack.com
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Thus, the 2nd UI paradigm will survive, albeit in a less dominant role. Future AI systems will likely have a hybrid user interface that combines elements of both intent-based and command-based interfaces while still retaining many GUI elements.
AI Is First New UI Paradigm in 60 Yearsjakobnielsenphd.substack.com
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The third UI paradigm, represented by current generative AI, is intent-based outcome specification. The user tells the computer the desired result but does not specify how this outcome should be accomplished, such as the steps to be executed. Compared to traditional command-based interaction design, this completely reverses the locus of control.
AI Is First New UI Paradigm in 60 Yearsjakobnielsenphd.substack.com
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I doubt that the current set of generative AI tools, like ChatGPT, Bard, etc., are representative of the UIs we’ll be using in a few years because they have deep-rooted usability problems.
AI Is First New UI Paradigm in 60 Yearsjakobnielsenphd.substack.com
18 June 2023
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You Look Like a Thing and I Love YouTheir words
A funny book explaining the basics of AI! The subtitle is How Artificial Intelligence Works and Why It's Making the World a Weirder Place. A great introduction to AI. With a cute cartoon mascot. The title is from her training an AI to write romantic greeting cards.
6 June 2023
From one piece Why AI Will Save The World 4 beliefs · pmarca.substack.com
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My response is that their position is non-scientific – What is the testable hypothesis? What would falsify the hypothesis? How do we know when we are getting into a danger zone?
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I even think AI is going to improve warfare, when it has to happen, by reducing wartime death rates dramatically. Every war is characterized by terrible decisions made under intense pressure and with sharply limited information by very limited human leaders.
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My view is that the idea that AI will decide to literally kill humanity is a profound category error. AI is not a living being that has been primed by billions of years of evolution to participate in the battle for the survival of the fittest, as animals are, and as we are. It is math – code – computers, built by people, owned by people, used by people, controlled by people.
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The single greatest risk of AI is that China wins global AI dominance and we – the United States and the West – do not.
25 May 2023
From one piece AI and the Hard Stuff 2 beliefs, in the piece's order there
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There are no existing AI/ML systems that mitigate clinical failure risks due to target choice or toxicology.
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But we do not have enough data and we do not have enough insight to use AI/ML to pick better targets that have a higher chance of succeeding in the clinic.
9 May 2023
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CronTheir words
Cron is completely free and only works with Google Calendar, but it’s super fast and reliable.
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PeteyTheir words
The app costs a few dollars up front and then has an optional subscription for unlimited requests, but I would recommend going directly to OpenAI’s developer dashboard, creating your own account, and copy/pasting your own API key into Petey.
4 May 2023
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AI will soon let anyone consume any content reshaped into the timeframe, tone, voice and bias they choose.Their words
This isn't perfect, but soon it will be, and you will be able to listen to or read any content you want in the timeframe, tone, voice and bias of your choosing.
1 May 2023
From one piece Why Chatbots Are Not the Future 3 beliefs · wattenberger.com
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Chatbots are a terrible interface for large language models, because a text box has no affordances.Their words
Hopefully I've convinced you that chatbots are a terrible interface for LLMs. Or, at the very least, that we can add controls, information, and affordances to our chatbot interfaces to make them more usable.
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I want to see more tools and fewer operated machines - we should be embracing our humanity instead of blindly improving efficiency. And that involves using our new AI technology in more deft ways than generating more content for humans to evaluate. I believe the real game changers are going to have very little to do with plain content generation.
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Good tools let the user choose when to switch between implementation and evaluation. When I work with a chatbot, I'm forced to frequently switch between the two modes.
22 March 2023
21 March 2023
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An AI can already earn an A on a university economics midterm, years earlier than informed forecasters expected.Their words
To my surprise and no small dismay, GPT-4 got an A. It earned 73/100, which would have been the fourth-highest score on the test.
15 March 2023
1 March 2023
23 February 2023
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But modularity may also facilitate a shift away from a concentration of model development in a few institutions and to distributing the development of modular components across the community.
17 February 2023
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The biggest issue is probably that we don’t control neutral networks enough to be able to ensure AI doesn’t harm humans. We can’t even control AI to not reveal internal prompts.
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Liberal societies currently face an existential risk that must be addressed to reach a better future.Their words
This book is my best crack at explaining what I think is an existential risk to liberal societies and what I think we need to do to get to that awesome future I used to be so excited about.
1 February 2023
17 January 2023
16 January 2023
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What ChatGPT is, in this instance, is replication as travesty. ChatGPT may be able to write a speech or an essay or a sermon or an obituary but it cannot create a genuine song.
14 January 2023
19 December 2022
7 December 2022
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It terrifies me, because these data repositories are not only a risk to individual user privacy, they’re effectively a surveillance super-weapon.
Why encrypted backup is so importantblog.cryptographyengineering.com
5 December 2022
13 October 2022
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In the Plex: How Google Thinks, Works, and Shapes Our LivesTheir words
I learned a great deal from this book about Google, which put some of my own experiences with Google products in context.
8 October 2022
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korrents.com
The three-year bet about whether AI image models could handle compositionality was won in three months.Their words, before
In fact, not only did they reach this level in three months, but probably they were at this level before the bet was even made
Their words now
I retract my claim to have won and will continue to see how AI progress advances over the next three years.
27 September 2022
12 September 2022
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AI progress is faster than people expect, and ordinary scaling can be enough to solve problems that looked very hard.Their words
I think this matches the general finding that AI progress is faster than expected, and increases my certainty that scale and normal progress can sometimes be enough to solve even very difficult problems.
8 September 2022
7 September 2022
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AI will out-think us, but it will not become conscious, because consciousness is a property of life.Their words
But in terms of what we value the most as humans, which is to say our feelings, our emotions, our sense of what the world is in a very personal way that I think means as much or more to people than their information processing. And that’s where I don’t think that AI necessarily will become conscious because I think it’s the property of life.
26 August 2022
17 June 2022
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In particular, most EA careers and most careers to do with AI are competitive as fuck.
10 June 2022
From one piece AGI Ruin: A List of Lethalities 5 beliefs, in the piece's order there
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The best and easiest-found-by-optimization algorithms for solving problems we want an AI to solve, readily generalize to problems we’d rather the AI not solve; you can’t build a system that only has the capability to drive red cars and not blue cars, because all red-car-driving algorithms generalize to the capability to drive blue cars.
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None of this is about anything being impossible in principle.
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Many alignment problems of superintelligence will not naturally appear at pre-dangerous, passively-safe levels of capability.
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unaligned operation at a dangerous level of intelligence kills everybody on Earth and then we don’t get to try again.
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2 years after the leading actor has the capability to destroy the world, 5 other actors will have the capability to destroy the world.
8 May 2022
6 April 2022
29 March 2022
4 March 2022
From one piece Training language models to follow instructions with human feedback (with 19 co-authors) 3 beliefs, in the piece's order there
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For example, large language models can generate outputs that are untruthful, toxic, or simply not helpful to the user. In other words, these models are not aligned with their users.
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The next-token language modeling objective is misaligned with following user instructions helpfully and safely.Their words
This is because the language modeling objective used for many recent large LMs-predicting the next token on a webpage from the internet-is different from the objective "follow the user's instructions helpfully and safely" (Radford et al.,, 2019; Brown et al.,, 2020; Fedus et al.,, 2021; Rae et al.,, 2021; Thoppilan et al.,, 2022). Thus, we say that the language modeling objective is misaligned.
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Fine-tuning with human feedback is a promising direction for aligning language models with human intent.Their words
Even though InstructGPT still makes simple mistakes, our results show that fine-tuning with human feedback is a promising direction for aligning language models with human intent.
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The LoopTheir words
Science journalist Jacob Ward warns about a future in which AI technology forms a tight cybernetic feedback loop with the biases ingrained into the human brain, pushing our day-to-day existence in frightening directions. It's sort of like a version of The Terminator in which Danny Kahneman plays a starring role. As longtime readers and listeners of mine know, a big theme in my techno-criticism is the under-appreciated degree to which technologies exert powerful, unintended consequences on our personhood and culture, so Ward's warning hits a sweet spot with me.
23 February 2022
25 January 2022
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I I would I would not say that about Google. I would just say that more generally like that is the incumbent temptation. Um it is is basically is basically go from attack mode to defend mode, right? Go from being the pirate to being the navy.
23 November 2021
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The Alignment Problem: Machine Learning and Human ValuesTheir words
I just finished this book a few weeks ago and it is still reverberating in my mind
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The Precipice: Existential Risk and the Future of HumanityTheir words
I wouldn’t say that this is the most compelling book I’ve ever read in terms of the prose style or storytelling, but it does provide a very helpful, almost quantitative overview of all the potential threats looming out there
24 September 2021
19 June 2021
27 March 2021
1 February 2021
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The Moon is a Harsh MistressTheir words
AI was in the air in the mid 1980s, but there were two things especially that made me want to work on it: a novel by Heinlein called The Moon is a Harsh Mistress
28 October 2020
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Work Rules!: Insights from Inside GoogleTheir words
If you're curious how Google built it's culture and the processes thanks to their extremely data & engineering driven nature, this is a great book. What held it back was being ~100 pages too long and Bock didn't always understand where what they did only fit at a $100Bn+, mega-profitable company. Still, the insights on the studies on their 50,000+ employees is well worth the read since so few of us can get similar statistical significance to apply to our teams.
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Mastering the VC GameTheir words
The interests of a Venture Capitalist are different than those of the entrepreneurs building a company they've invested in. Jeff does an awesome job of helping explain how you can get misaligned in your goals versus your investors. Fortunately, he also covers how to avoid it.
2 October 2020
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Google KeepTheir words
Google Keep - I use this primarily as a shared shopping list and "wish list," and for saving web links and lists I want to add to/come back to later.
1 August 2020
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nativefierTheir words
For the rest (e.g., oddly, most Google web apps), I use a command-line tool called nativefier to turn them into desktop apps.
17 July 2020
1 June 2020
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Welch LabsTheir words
this channel is full of high production quality and well-written videos. There are also several series on machine learning, the topics underlying self-driving cars, so this is certainly one of the more applied math channels out there.
28 May 2020
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Here we show that scaling up language models greatly improves task-agnostic, few-shot performance, sometimes even reaching competitiveness with prior state-of-the-art fine-tuning approaches.
7 February 2020
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Gödel Escher BachTheir words
This book stretched my mind more than almost any other book I’ve read. It’s tough at parts, it’s long, but you’ll come out of it thinking about brains, minds, intelligence, and AI in an entirely new way.
4 February 2020
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As generative drug analoging grows in importance, it's going to be crucial for people to make the entire training set available in detail when such work is published.
30 January 2020
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ChromeTheir words
My browser of choice is Chrome, mainly because I use Google's tools (Gmail, Docs, Sheets, and so on) on a daily basis.
10 December 2019
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Google ColabTheir words
spending an increasing amount of my free time working with tools like Google Colab, Runway ML, TensorFlow, and Hugging Face to play around with machine-generated text, audio, imagery, and video.
5 November 2019
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We argue that ARC can be used to measure a human-like form of general fluid intelligence and that it enables fair general intelligence comparisons between AI systems and humans.
15 October 2019
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Microsoft WordTheir words
When I'm writing articles etc that need to be shared with an editor, I typically write in Microsoft Word. I hate all word processing software, and anyone who insists that Google Docs is so much better than Word is a liar.
7 October 2019
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The AI Does Not Hate You: Superintelligence, Rationality, and the Race to Save the WorldTheir words
Briefly, I think the book is a triumph.
16 September 2019
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The Creativity Code: Art and Innovation in the Age of AITheir words
It's increasingly coming to the fore and Marcus deals with it in a really interesting way. He takes us through lots of different areas where AI is being used to mimic creativity, which some people would argue is the essence of being human. It's interesting to see how close to being human AI is getting.
22 August 2019
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Google Meet speakermicTheir words
so we use Google Meet speakermics, which allow for full-duplex conversations, which makes conversation far more organic. That device turned Google Meet from something exhausting to something really good.
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Google Pixel 3Their words
My phone is a maxed-out Google Pixel 3, which I use for phone things: Email, reading, web browsing, messaging, music, and taking pictures
20 June 2019
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PDF ExpertTheir words
In terms of iOS apps, I use PDF Expert, which is a great PDF reader and annotator (using Apple Pencil), Notability as a virtual whiteboard (again with Apple Pencil), Google Docs for document editing, Google Calendar, and Gmail.
28 May 2019
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Trillion Dollar Coach: The Leadership Playbook of Silicon Valley's Bill CampbellTheir words
Eric Schmidt, Jonathan Rosenberg and Alan Eagle, Trillion Dollar Coach: The Leadership Playbook of Silicon Valley’s Bill Campbell: I understood Bill Campbell was a behind-the-scenes guy in Silicon Valley, but I had no idea just how influential he was. Bill Gurley of Benchmark noted “I would argue that Bill has had a bigger impact on Silicon Valley than any other single person simply because his reach was so amazingly wide.” That’s a story I want to read.
21 May 2019
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Visual Studio CodeTheir words
For coding, I use Visual Studio Code. I use Git for source control, Photoshop for 2D art, Audition for audio editing, Premiere for video editing, and our team coordinates on Google Docs and Skype.
4 May 2019
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23 January 2019
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What we are actually listening to is human limitation and the audacity to transcend it. Artificial Intelligence, for all its unlimited potential, simply doesn’t have this capacity.
19 October 2018
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Google DocsTheir words
Now, almost everything happens in Google Docs, except for when I write straight into the Axios or Substack CMS. (Both of which are lovely, WYSIWYG, very simple and easy to use.)
11 October 2018
From one piece BERT: Pre-training of Deep Bidirectional Transformers for Language Understanding 2 beliefs, in the piece's order there
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Such restrictions are sub-optimal for sentence-level tasks, and could be very harmful when applying fine-tuning based approaches to token-level tasks such as question answering, where it is crucial to incorporate context from both directions.
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Current techniques restrict pre-trained representation power because standard language models are unidirectional.Their words
We argue that current techniques restrict the power of the pre-trained representations, especially for the fine-tuning approaches. The major limitation is that standard language models are unidirectional, and this limits the choice of architectures that can be used during pre-training.
From one piece BERT: Pre-training of Deep Bidirectional Transformers for Language Understanding 2 beliefs, in the piece's order there
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Current techniques restrict pre-trained representation power because standard language models are unidirectional.Their words
We argue that current techniques restrict the power of the pre-trained representations, especially for the fine-tuning approaches. The major limitation is that standard language models are unidirectional, and this limits the choice of architectures that can be used during pre-training.
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Such restrictions are sub-optimal for sentence-level tasks, and could be very harmful when applying fine-tuning based approaches to token-level tasks such as question answering, where it is crucial to incorporate context from both directions.
From one piece BERT: Pre-training of Deep Bidirectional Transformers for Language Understanding 2 beliefs, in the piece's order there
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Their words
Such restrictions are sub-optimal for sentence-level tasks, and could be very harmful when applying fine-tuning based approaches to token-level tasks such as question answering, where it is crucial to incorporate context from both directions.
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korrents.com
Current techniques restrict pre-trained representation power because standard language models are unidirectional.Their words
We argue that current techniques restrict the power of the pre-trained representations, especially for the fine-tuning approaches. The major limitation is that standard language models are unidirectional, and this limits the choice of architectures that can be used during pre-training.
From one piece BERT: Pre-training of Deep Bidirectional Transformers for Language Understanding 2 beliefs, in the piece's order there
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korrents.com
Current techniques restrict pre-trained representation power because standard language models are unidirectional.Their words
We argue that current techniques restrict the power of the pre-trained representations, especially for the fine-tuning approaches. The major limitation is that standard language models are unidirectional, and this limits the choice of architectures that can be used during pre-training.
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Such restrictions are sub-optimal for sentence-level tasks, and could be very harmful when applying fine-tuning based approaches to token-level tasks such as question answering, where it is crucial to incorporate context from both directions.
9 August 2018
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The Algorithm Design ManualTheir words
To me, this book is an illustration of the power of names. Today, in the era of Google, if you know the name of something, you can find out about it with a simple search. But if you don't know of what you're looking for, it suddenly becomes much harder to find it. Having in the back of your head the names of common algorithms that help you solve problems is really powerful.
9 July 2018
3 April 2018
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Google ChromeTheir words
Google Chrome: What's a Web Developer without Google Chrome browser? The first thing I do with Safari is to get Google Chrome and install the latest version.
9 March 2018
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Neural network pruning techniques can reduce the parameter counts of trained networks by over 90%, decreasing storage requirements and improving computational performance of inference without compromising accuracy.
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Neural network pruning techniques can reduce the parameter counts of trained networks by over 90%, decreasing storage requirements and improving computational performance of inference without compromising accuracy.
7 March 2018
24 February 2018
From one piece Takeoff speeds 4 beliefs, in the piece's order there
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I currently think a slow takeoff is significantly more likely.
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Things are usually preceded by worse versions, even in cases where there are weak reasons to expect a discontinuous jump.
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In particular, this means that incredibly powerful AI will emerge in a world where crazy stuff is already happening (and probably everyone is already freaking out).
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The main disagreement is not about what will happen once we have a superintelligent AI, it’s about what will happen before we have a superintelligent AI.
15 November 2017
24 October 2017
From one piece Why superintelligence is a threat that should be taken seriously 2 beliefs, in the piece's order there
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One of the most commonly emphasized points in the AI safety literature is that one must never anthropomorphize AI—that is, don’t project human mental properties onto artificially intelligent systems.
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A superintelligence whose goal system is even slightly misaligned with ours could, being far more powerful than any human or human institution, bring about human extinction for the very same reason that construction workers routinely slaughter large populations of ants.
22 June 2017
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REAPERTheir words
I use a ton of software. Here's a list: Xcode, Pages, Numbers, Keynote, Sublime Text, Corona SDK, Unity, Final Cut Pro, Versions, Perforce, VMWare Fusion, Messages, REAPER, Transmit, Coda, Dropbox, Skype, Dashlane, Slack, Terminal, Assembla, Airmail, Spark Mail, Google Docs, Pixelmator, Pixen, TexturePacker, Particle Designer, Tiled, iTunes + Music + Match, Screenium, Steam, Twitter, Facebook.
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UnityTheir words
I use a ton of software. Here's a list: Xcode, Pages, Numbers, Keynote, Sublime Text, Corona SDK, Unity, Final Cut Pro, Versions, Perforce, VMWare Fusion, Messages, REAPER, Transmit, Coda, Dropbox, Skype, Dashlane, Slack, Terminal, Assembla, Airmail, Spark Mail, Google Docs, Pixelmator, Pixen, TexturePacker, Particle Designer, Tiled, iTunes + Music + Match, Screenium, Steam, Twitter, Facebook.
28 February 2017
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Usesrcmnd.app
emacsTheir words
For writing code, I use emacs and Google's internal distributed build system (a version of which was open sourced as Bazel) and our version control system
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Usesrcmnd.app
LaTeXTheir words
For technical papers, I and my coauthors usually use LaTeX. For giving presentations, I almost exclusively use Google Slides.
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Google SlidesTheir words
For giving presentations, I almost exclusively use Google Slides.
8 January 2017
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Rationality: From AI to ZombiesTheir words
luckily I was aided by a few books that I recommend to anyone who wants to come to terms with this
1 October 2016
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Mixed onaffiliate linkrcmnd.app
Site Reliability EngineeringTheir words
A description of how Google handles operations.
10 December 2015
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korrents.com
Depth is not free: past a point, deeper neural networks are harder to train rather than simply better.Their words
Deeper neural networks are more difficult to train.
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Depth is not free: past a point, deeper neural networks are harder to train rather than simply better.Their words
Deeper neural networks are more difficult to train.
14 November 2015
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