Ross Douthat

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Um, I have been reading uh, Speak Memory by Vladimir Nambacov, Nbachov, however you want to pronounce it, which is his sort of memoir uh, mostly of his boyhood as a Russian aristocrat before the Russian the Russian Revolution. Uh, I would I would recommend that to people who don't want to be post-literate, who want to be very very literate indeed.

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Uh I will recommend uh Julian Jackson's biography of Charles de Gaulle [snorts] on general principles. I haven't read it recently but just strong strong recommend there.

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And I will finally recommend the most recent book that I read to my children which is Robert Lewis Stevenson's Treasure Island. So those are three solid recommendations and I'm happy to leave you with them. Rosetta, thank you very much.

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I think people who are interested in this subject, interested in the conversation, one one recommendation would be a book called after by Bruce Grayson who's a I think psychiatrist or neur neuroscientist from the University of Virginia who just has a good overview I would say from a perspective of a practicing physician of why people take these strange stories seriously and why it might unsettle a materialist worldview and the third book.

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Um but a book by called Mind and Cosmos by Thomas Nagel who's a famous philosopher not religious but arguing for the fundamental limits and problems with a materialist framework on the world and it is a very short book which is why I don't hesitate to recommend it.